Top two people have been AI generated, right?
“We need you to help us!”
“By raising awareness, raising the profile of protests by joining and expressing solidarity with them, engaging in legal efforts to block the administration, and introducing legislation to restrict the administration’s formal power; the things that politicians and especially legislators have especial power to actually do?”
“No, we want you to take up arms and take to the streets in a way that we aren’t willing to do ourselves!”
Vote blue no matter who. Lol
Unless we fail to ratfuck a moderate or socialist in the primary. Then absolutely under no conditions should you vote blue.
Unless they’re an economic populist.
Then it’s all: “Nope, not like that.” from your local Democratic ideologues.
Well yeah. Just look at what happens when you don’t. Or do you think you needed to vote once?
You are the problem. You got us here.
TBF the people who actually voted for Trump got us here.
Nope, only the left can ever be to blame. We alone are guilty, for betraying the fuckers who literally do not ever stop stabbing us in the back for a single second.
Its our fault, for not voting at all, unless we did, then for not voting for whoever-the fuck, unless we did, then for not being enthusiastic enough about it. They are entitled to our loyalty affection and fealty. Thats how this works.
The fascists are never the problem. They’re just the noble opposition who it woukd be so good to make common cause with. And compromise with. And honsstly, believing in nothing, why not just be a good sport and give them everything they want plus fellatio?
Well, you had so much time to implement your much better strategy, but you didn’t even started.
You aren’t taking this seriously because you don’t actually care. You just want to score points and look good for your team.
Oh, fuck off with this projection bullshit. You are demanding your glorious perfect solution, and refusing to compromise to achieve less suffering. If you were the one who cared, you would be all over the idea that less bad is better than more bad, instead you sit arms crossed, waiting for a ghost of Lenin to come here, murder all the libs, and install luxury space communism.
I don’t even have a team, you just assigned me one so you can put me in a box.
For the immediate future. Sure.
I think there’s a sentiment that we need a third party.
No - we need a second party. The Democratic Party may be corrupt, but the Republican Party committed suicide. The full downfall will be when Donald Trump dies (hopefully not of old age).
it took decades of this sort of strategy to get us here; expecting an immediate change is unrealistic.
it took decades of this sort of strategy to get us here; expecting an immediate change is unrealistic.
Nope. Biggest group is non voting. How are those abortion rights being protected? By abstaining you’ve left them able to be removed. Tankies are so unserious. No vote for minimizing harm or growing a progressive wing.
I’m not sure where you’ve been recently, but it seems pretty apparent that if you’re a president with control of Congress, you can fundamentally change American’s culture and governance systems in mere months.
If you don’t care about breaking the law or the actual outcomes anyway.
Absolutely not. Burn the whole thing to the ground.
Oh shit, things are significantly worse now.
Maybe if we continue to refuse to support the progressive party in protest then things won’t get significantly worse again next time? /s
What progressive party?
There is no progressive party. We have two parties doing their best to support billionaires.
Alright. Were you still planning on casting a vote (write in “None” or something) or were you kust planning on decreasing your voting demographics influence?
I’ll be voting for socialists. My votes will no longer go towards the people that actively work against the working class. The two right winger parties in this hell hole can go fuck themselves.
Same, and it’s a shame that the Dems can’t fail hard enough to get the ideologues to do anything differently.
As long as you’re voting.
Yes, BUT, we gotta get those conservative fuckers out first. Baby steps.
That’s been the game. Back and forth political theater. A vote for a billionaire bootlicker is a vote against the working class.
Vote blue until literally anything better comes along.
I’d ammend to say vote blue in red states. Bote progressive in blue states.
Except lefties who infiltrate the party. You’re a traitor if you vote for them. Obviously.
something better has literally been around for decades; people just refuse to vote for it.
So you’re actively building the alternative right now, right? You’re gonna have another party ready to go next election cycle? Link me to your projects. Surely you at least have some promising candidates lined up? And you’re out there getting the word out about them?
Or are you just going to criticize and nitpick because it’s easier?
Yes it will all be ready in due time. Don’t concern yourself brother.
Oh and also, get it from 1% to 51% in a single election cycle or else I’ll fight against it.
the democrats have proven that they’re not going to stop this and your fellow liberals are more politically aligned w you than w me; so what are you doing to prevent it?
The bare minimum. Admittedly it’s not much, but even .0000000000000001 is infinitely larger than 0.
I’m not any less disillusioned with the system than you are. But I also admit to myself honestly that I am not going to get out there and man the barricades. At least the minimum is SOMETHING.
You don’t like the options? Fine. You should at least be building another one. What are you, a nihilist?
Democrats had options.
Remember Marianne Williamson?
Democrats were all like, nah, give me the guy with evident public dementia instead.
Every single time, it’s like a broken record.
Nobody thinks the democrats did the right thing in 2024. It’s not like you’re delivering some special message everyone didn’t get. The primary was shit and the party is shit. I’ll give you the gold star for correctly identifying that there’s a problem if you want. But identifying the problem is not a SOLUTION. What’s your plan? What have you got? Because all I see is endless harping on the problem, and that’s nothing.
There’s microplastics in the food. So what? Am I going to stop eating?
Any schmuck can sit there and complain and nitpick. Let me know when you’ve got ACTIONS TO TAKE TO SOLVE IT. Contradiction is not a plan.
The way I’m constantly hearing complaints and observations without a lick of solutions or activity, it’s like I’m listening to the mainstream media.
Totally, man.
I’m the problem.
why not be significantly more effective than 1 millionth of a percent and join the 3-9% of american voters that have been trying to warn liberals that democrats are shit every election for the last several decades w a third party?
Warning them clearly isn’t doing anything. They’re not going to change. They’re not getting behind anything truly progressive. But I don’t see the 3-9% of American voters building an alternative. That’s a PRETTY big number - that’s millions of people… are they all just content to criticize and not actually MAKE an alternative? The rest of us are here - surely some of you are motivated enough to give US an alternative to the democrats? Why is it the democrats that have to make an alternative that’s palatable to YOU? This argument goes both ways, you know.
And the CLINCHER is it doesn’t have to be either/or. It’s ENTIRELY possible to both do the bare minimum AND also build the alternative at the same time.
But no, we’re just gonna ride the worst of both worlds into hell. Fine by me, I guess.
that 3-9% is the percentage of americans who have been paying attention to how shitty the democrats & republicans are and have been actively trying to build a better alternative through the green, socialist, libetarian, etc. parties. (atleast so until democrats and republicans join forces to quash them over and over and over again).
you either practice what you’re preaching here and give them your support or just sit & complain. like the other 90% of american voters, the choice is yours; you either keep voting for the 2 parties that have been cooperating w each other to bring us here or you try the only real alternatives that you’ve been willfully ignoring for the last several decades because of what the propaganda tells you about 3rd party voting and fptp deadlocking.
Okay, it’s my turn.
The democrats don’t inspire you with confidence? Fair.
The greens? The socialists? I’ve looked at Jill Stein… I’ve looked at De La Cruz… They don’t impress me either. In the same way you don’t owe the democrats a vote, progressives don’t owe a vote to a candidate just because they’re not a republican or democrat. Find someone inspiring and take advantage of the fact the internet has unprecedented reach.
I just looked at your post history. You’ve been here a year. I don’t see a SINGLE post supporting a third party candidate. You’re not stumping for Stein… You’re not stumping for anybody. Do you want them to MAGICALLY gain support?
Speaking of practicing what you preach… How am I supposed to get behind a third party candidate when the people who are ostensibly on that side can’t even be bothered?
Impeccable work
What do you propose they do?
They could start with traveling with armed guards, or more specifically, law enforcement under their own lawful command. Then they can start actually exercising their authority and right to inspect federal facilities such as ICE detention centers. This is the right of every member of Congress. Any ICE or other agents that try to stop them are violating state and federal law. If ICE agents try to stop them, then they should have those ICE agents arrested on the spot.
But really, what they should be doing is stop looking for excuses, like you seem to be doing here. Republicans manage to delay and wring concessions out of Democrats when they’re out of power. But the Democrats were unwilling to use the debt ceiling or temporary budget bill earlier this year to demand concessions. They just said, “well, it would be really bad if the government shut down, guess we can’t do anything!”
Or they could use other Congressional powers. For example, they should be reading banned books, censored scientific articles, and information deleted from government web pages directly into the Congressional record.
But beyond that, they need rhetoric that isn’t cowardly. They should be in speech after speech, calling for the prosecution of ICE agents. They should be up there every day reminding everyone that there are no statutes of limitations for crimes against humanity. And in case of a pardon, they should be promising to ship ICE agents off the the Hague for trial.
And on and on. There are tons of things they could be doing. Many of these involve putting their actual persons at risk. But Democrats are leaders in name only. They have no interest in actually leading. They’re just there to collect a paycheck. When they’re out of power, they wring their hands and say, “we don’t have a majority, what do you propose we do?” When they’re in power, they wring their hands and say, “we only have a small majority, what do you propose we do?”
Where exactly is it written that members of congress can have political enemies arrested by private police on a whim, and that they can inspect any building at any time?
Organize protests. Bring media. Obstruct Republicans in Congress whenever possible
Literally anything?
Call upon all forces loyal to their states and districts to expel ICE and all unjust federal agencies.
And then Trump sends in the military and they start murdering people
That is the inevitable outcome. Delaying it only gives them the benefit of more time to prepare and consolidate resources, because god knows we’re not cooking up some Machiavellian counterplan to stop them.
Careful appeasement does not work in the end with fascists. People should resist while they still have assets with which to do so.
i will always advocate for whatever preserves human life the best, acknowledging all currently living humans in the equation, and i think this is the route that minimizes casualties.
Why is Jeffries there and not a Republican
Take your time sweety
Welcome to: the point.
Because Jeffries is a Republican.
